Vision Of The Final Separation Of The Bride of Christ From The Body Of Christ
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Credit: The majority of this text is gleaned from a teaching by Wayne Fowler's We Are The Overcomers, YouTube Channel. In this text he mentions other teachings which can be found on the channel. This particular teaching has been gleaned and edited from the transcript to help the flow from a verbal teaching to readable text notes. You are encouraged to view the entire video "Vision of the Final Separation of the Bride of Christ from the Body of Christ"
Concerning Visions ~ Clarifying The Need For Understanding
In his opening presentation Wayne clarifies the purpose for this teaching:
I've had a couple of visions and there are two different visions and it relates specifically to
the separation of the bride of Christ from the body of Christ. Now
we're going to go into that because there are a
lot of people that are drawing sides as it were. It seems to me that they either are open to receiving
the revelation of the three Harvest events or the three raptures
whichever term you want to be able to use or it's almost becoming like it's an all or nothing type
of approach.
Well, I think in this particular instance let me start out with some Scripture so I can relay some
context and then I'm going to give you the vision
that I've been given.
I have titled this 'The Separation of the Bride of Christ From the Body of Christ' and what I want to hopefully show in presenting this is to have anyone
that has an opposing view, that there's only 'one' rapture and everybody that even knows how to pronounce the name Jesus they're
going. Right? I'm being facetious
of course but you understand exactly what I'm saying. But let me
tell you what I believe. And what I've been teaching for for
quite some time is that the Bride of the Christ is not equal to the
body of Christ. It's not an either or. They are not synonyms for each other. They are just interchangeable
terms. The Bride of Christ actually comes from it's a subset of the
body of Christ. They are part of the body of Christ but they are
separated out of it, they are pulled out of that. Here is what I
want you to see about all of this.
I'm going to start by reading some scriptures that that show 'union' and then we're going to cover some differences.
The Scriptures Regarding Separation and Union
Genesis 2:21-25 "21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep
to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and
closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the LORD God had
taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of
my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because
she was taken out of Man.
24 Therefore shall a man leave his
father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall
be one flesh.
25 And they were both naked, the man
and his wife, and were not ashamed.
Matthew 19:3-6 “3 The Pharisees also
came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a
man to put away his wife for every cause?
4 And he answered and said unto them,
Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them
male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man
leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain
shall be one flesh?
6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but
one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put
asunder.”
The Bible uses the word 'cleave' in two
different ways. There are several words in the Hebrew, Greek as well
as English which have one meaning and its exact opposite meaning as
part of the meaning of the very same word. Here we may have one word
with two meanings which are opposite of one another
CLEAVE ~ klev: Is used in the Bible in
two different senses:
(1) baqa` "to split," or "to
rend." We are told that Abraham "clave the wood for the
burnt-offering" (Genesis 22:3), and that "they clave the
wood of the cart" (1 Samuel 6:14). The Psalmist speaks of Yahweh
cleaving fountain and flood (Psalms 74:15), and the plowman cleaving
the earth (Psalms 141:7). For other examples see Judges 15:19;
Ecclesiastes 10:9; Psalms 78:15; Habakkuk 3:9.
(2) dabhaq; kollao,
"to adhere to," or "to join one's self to." This
meaning is the reverse of the preceding. The Psalmist speaks of his
tongue cleaving to the roof of his mouth (Psalms 137:6). We are told
that a man should cleave unto his wife (Genesis 2:24; Matthew 19:5).
It is said that Ruth clave unto her mother-in-law (Ruth 1:14), and that
certain men clave unto Paul (Acts 17:34; compare Acts 4:23; 11:23
margin). "Cleave" is also used in this sense to describe
one's adherence to principles. Paul admonished the Romans to cleave
to that which is good (Romans 12:9).
Note the word cleave is used in both the Old Testament and the New Testament in both itself and its opposite meaning.
Two Visions ~ Separation Of The Bride Of Christ
- Vision 1
the ground and there's this ground and it's dry ground, it's not lush and it's not covered with vegetation or anything it was pretty dry. And I see this hand come out from (and it's very similar to the dream I had about Jesus his hand coming over) and scooping up the barley and taking it out which was the Rapture of the Bride because the Bride is the barley.
(That's a different issue altogether if you aren't familiar with that there are plenty of teachings in which I cover that in great detail I encourage you to check them out)
But what this was (previous vision noted) so in this same thing. A huge hand is coming out and it's over my left shoulder. It comes down, it's a right hand and arm. I can see this white sleeve and in his hand is a large knife. It was a large silver knife and sharp, it was very sharp! It was long and had kind of a curved blade on it almost like a kitchen chef's knife if you're familiar with those. Except it was razor sharp and I knew that it was. And here I watch on the line and I see the hand go through and put the knife on this earth, this dirt and pull back and it makes this very neat clean cut and that was it. The knife was pulled back and and I didn't think anything about it. But I was trying to figure out what does that mean? There is some kind of cutting. I just didn't have this full explanation. Obviously it was God doing something. He was cutting something but I didn't know what the something was. I didn't have that view.
- Vision 2
And in His hand this time is not a chef's knife it's a cleaver and it's still, but it's huge! It is enormous! The arm of course is also enormous and it's silver just like the knife was. And instead of this time going into slice and to make this very clean cut in the dust this comes down and it makes this deep deep cleaving separation in which this ground actually then separates. And I know that there's something that this ground is; actually supposed to be alive. There is something that it represents the earthly body and not just a single body but the earthly Body of Christ.
So I'm looking at this and I recognize that in this splitting there's a smaller piece that is on this (one) side and then there is a much larger piece that is on this (other) side but it's clearly completely separated. I was asking and then that was the end of it.
I come back to to myself and spoke to a sister (in Christ) trying to be able to to grapple with what this was because the message that I'm getting as I'm praying about it for the interpretation of what this meant is it meant that our earthly bodies all together (that's why it wasn't just one small piece) it is a huge piece and of of clay yes, yes, yes, thank You, thank You, thank You. That is what I was trying to say' it's like this dried clay. That's what we are that we're vessels of clay. So what's going to happen is, what I was recognizing is, that because it was a huge piece of land, earth then it represented the entire body of Christ and what is happening now is that the complete and total final separation of the Bride of Christ from the Body of Christ is now happening that is happening right now.
The Father Chooses The Bride
Initially what this in fact means to me is that first there started with a division a clean cutting. That there is going to be a clean cut that's going to take place. That was what I was seeing first. But it was dry dust so in other words it it wasn't completely formed yet. So you the Bride (are) not going to be completely separated until right at the end. This is what I'm seeing that this is occurring right at the end.
Let me interject something and I'm going to read more Scripture that is going to add more to this:
The body just like in Genesis 2, the first part is that there is a bride that is made for Adam from one part of the body.
The part that's closest to his heart is one of his ribs ~
- not the whole rib cage,
- not the top half of his body
- not not the whole thing
- or some kind of symbiotic breaking from one body into two bodies
No. What happens is God takes this one rib out and while he (Adam) is in a deep sleep that's similar to death. What do we call it we say that Lazarus is asleep. What does Jesus say plainly? He tells them Lazarus is dead. So we know that sleep is a euphemism for death and so this is 'representing' for the first Adam. There is a rib, this one small piece; "bone of my bone flesh of my flesh" (Genesis 2:23) that is the bride that is then brought to him.
We see in Jesus, that we know the same thing is going to happen. Jesus is is described as the second Adam. We know that a bride that is prepared. Why? Because it is not good for the man to be alone. God is going to created a help mate for him. So the same thing is going to happen here.
So what happens? Where is the bride that is made for Jesus? There was a spear that pierced His side in that same place where that rib from Adam was taken and it pierced His heart. Blood and water came out and from that from that sacrifice. From that we know that the Bride is being created. Now here's another thing I want to point out too the Father chooses the Bride.
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ihgm.org interjection:
Consider John 17:11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. 12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept.
Consider John 17:11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. 12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept.
Some examples of arranged marriages:
- God creates Eve, a bride Adam. First marriage was arranged.
- Isaac and Rebekah
- Judah's son Er and Tamar
- Judah's son Onan and Tamar
- Mary and Joseph betrothed, yet he was considered her legal husband
- Revelation 19 the Bride who is for Jesus Christ.
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The Father picks the Bride. We see that also in the Jewish wedding mode. The father picks the bride. They have a meeting, the bride usually of course either have the opportunity to accept or reject. Afterward, when the bridegroom-to-be then has an acceptance he goes back to the father's house where the wedding chamber is going to be built on to the father's house. That's where the bride is going to come and that is where the marriage is going to take place.
(Now let's go ahead and follow this up with some more Scripture that shows that and from here what we're going to read out of) :
~ Ephesians 5:22-33
Wives submit yourselves unto your own
husbands as unto the Lord 23 for the husband is the head of the wife
even as Christ is the head of the church and he is the savior of the
body 24 therefore as the church is subject unto Christ so let the wives
be to their own husbands in everything.
25 Husbands love your wives
even as Christ also loved the church and gave himself for it 26 that he
might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word 27 that he might present it to himself a glorious church not having spot
or wrinkle or any such thing but that it should be holy and without
blemish.
(So now we see there's the connection.
There's the body. The body is the whole church.
28 as we continue on so ought men to
love their wives as their own bodies he that loveth his wife loveth
himself 29 for no man ever yet hated his own flesh but nourisheth and
cherisheth it even as the Lord the church. 30 For we are members of his
body of his flesh and of his bones now.
(Just to highlight that again there is a
corporate body. We all that know that everybody has a different part
in the body. The different part that they are; they are all members,
all part of the body but we're not all the same members. But then he
changes in) :
31 For this cause shall a man leave his
father and mother and be joined unto his wife and they too shall be
one flesh. 32This is a great mystery but I speak concerning Christ and
the church nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love
his wife even as himself and the wife see that she reverence her
husband.
The Bride Is A Part Of The Body Of Christ
Now we see the same thing that we saw in Genesis. We see the same thing that we saw in Matthew. And now we see it exemplified here. But what are the differences we see here?
First ~ the Apostle Paul identifying that the body is composed of all kinds of different members. He identifies that he's speaking about Christ and the church and when he talks about being joined unto his wife that is not saying that the wife is the church. If you really look at what he is saying is that the wife is a member of the body There's going to be a part of the body, just like we see in Genesis that was a rib from Adam in that particular instance and the same area in the instance from Jesus. This is what he's saying; that Christ has a body and from that body of Christ comes the Bride. The Bride is a part of the church but the Bride is taken out of the church just like the rib is taken out of the body of Adam. So it is still Adam's Body right? So Lord is still Jesus's body but the bride is taken out of that body that's what I'm wanting you to see here.
The same thing with the cleaving. I want to point out this is the final deal, final separation. Why is it a cleaver that I see this time? It is because it is doing both things; it's separating the Bride from the body so that the bride is going to cleave to the Bridegroom and that's Jesus.
But at the very same time it also has the same meaning of separating the bride from the rest of the body. Do you see? I see it so strongly. There's a number of people that are not seeing this.
Brothers and sisters I'm not going to apologize for what what I'm being shown and what I'm being asked to present because I am just being obedient to what I am being told. Now I have noticed, and this was another thing, because I have seen now the number of subscribers now, just as a point, I'm not doing this at all for numbers of subscribers at all that's not what this is about. I'm just using this as an illustration. I have noticed as of late suddenly there are numbers, there's a lot of people that have been unsubscribing. Now what I'm saying about that is as I'm going 'Hallelujah hallelujah' because what does that mean? There's the separation! Because if you are going to be on that part you're going to want to separate yourself from the from the Bride, but the bride is going to stay strong the Bride is not going to be anywhere but focused on Jesus.
But then there's the other group. Now let me give you an opposing type of view so I can mention that because that's what I'm saying it is about this because some of the people when they come in they they hear a part that I think that then they are agreeable to when when they hear how I discuss that Salvation is a free gift and of course it is. It's so biblically accurate it should not even be questioned of course that is the case. Salvation is a free gift.
But then when they hear your order in the resurrection or which Rapture which Harvest event from the Harvest model that you're going to be in is not a Salvation issue
then suddenly they are like 'Oh wait a minute, wait a minute.' And they tend to get upset and draw back because they there's many different reasons. But I think that one of them a strong reason is they want to, in a number of instances I'm not saying in all, but in a number of instances they want to justify:
- Why they don't have a deep love for Jesus
- Why they are focused and want to continue to focus on the world and the things of the world
- That they don't feel the need to repent of any sin that might be in their life because they don't feel a need to do so despite all the many scriptures that discuss that.
Confusion about Salvation
Illustration:
I had a response to another person that was making a response to our dear sister (in Christ). I just borrowed this. I'm gonna not going to give the name of the person but she was having a conversation with her and very very Godly laying out the where we see the three the pre, mid and post tribulation Harvest events taking place and so on and so forth.
"I believe Jesus will not NOT do partial judgment. I'm not near perfect as in the bride but I have full faith that I AM PART OF THE BODY OF CHRIST
(Now the reason why I'm doing that is because these are instances in where you get the all caps and this is also another thing when I or someone else like sister in Christ actually respond to people, you know you don't see us using all caps. Why? Is that there's a reason for that right anyway let me go on)
I believe only GOD OUR FATHER has all the answers, prayers and blessings. Many thanks but personally I believe once we start these rapture categories it will only bring pride amongst the body of Christ which our Abba does not want.
I BELIEVE IN ONE RAPTURE
No one is perfect even by great dedication or works I cannot in my heart believe that our Abba will pick and choose because by stating all these more than one Rapture followers of Christ will feel that they're not good enough. I really appreciate your findings my sister and please forgive me coming out loud I cannot believe God will divide and pick and choose His bride. We have a greater god let's give him some respect.
Okay now there are several things that I'm hoping and I did it just like that as you know as she has said forgive me for coming out loud so in other words she's intending for the all caps to be loud. So that's why I'm doing that. But here I thought that this represented a number of things that I wanted to point out.
She does not want to believe and the reason why she says is she points out she is not and it's almost like do you see what you're writing here
I'm not near perfect as in the bride but I have full faith that I'm part of the body of Christ. So do I. So do I. Yeah every, every part of the body the bride comes from the body so every member of the the member of the Bride is also a member of the body.
There's that. That's one of the things
She has already separated herself because she's saying I'm not near as perfect so in other words she's saying that we have to be perfect or she's interpreting that or not perfect none of us are perfect and the only way that we are able to do anything is because our sin has been covered by the precious blood of Jesus and that is not just for the bride that's for any of the members of the body. That's how we become part of the body. So she she points out here again no one is perfect even by great dedication or works again hyper focus on this works.
Salvation And Running The Race ~ There's A Difference
Salvation is not a work but there are works that we are expected to do. What does God tell us? He says that we have works that He has beforehand already created them for us that we should walk in them. So once you are a born into the family you have to be willing to walk that journey. You have to be in and God has certain works that He is already prepared for you. This was done even before you were born. He knew all of this. So in other words that is what I'm saying, your placement in whichever Harvest group is a reward it is not connected with salvation. Salvation is only the Starting Gate. You can't even enter the race if you're not at the starting line. Right? And you can't go in the race until you are one of the the runners. So that would be one of the Believers. You can't run the race, the Christian race, you can't run the Christian race unless you are a Christian so that's what we're saying this is salvation.
But your attendance as a member of the Bride is a reward. I've covered that a number of times. And it's those I believe that have similar ideas like this which say that they have to tie it into salvation which is not which is not!
So that's how they can choose to be part of it. There can only be one so I can be part of it. If there's more than one then I might not be part of the first one because of all of these other reasons they may not want or desire. They know that they have unrepentant sin and they don't want to get rid of their pet sins. That they had themselves clean when they were initially accepted, but we walked through this or run through this whichever if you call it 'the race' and you get your feet dirty and Jesus says He wants to wash your feet. He said He will wash your feet. How do you wash your feet, right? You have to ask for repentance for sin. We have sins that in our thoughts our deeds and things that happen because we're in this fallen flesh and they are going to be fallen until we are transformed, right?
So just realize you don't just keep doing it don't think that you're keeping it from Jesus but you have to tell that you have to come to Him with a heart of repentance, right? You have to ask for Him to cleanse you of this. That's just one of the things you really, really need to do
So she then says followers of Christ will feel that they are not good enough and she's speaking with this broad brush stroke which I think is more like projection. In other words I'm not saying that it's not me, other believers might not feel good enough. No what this person is saying is that she doesn't feel good enough and I really think that in a lot of instances it's not that at all people are being convicted because the Holy Spirit is trying to get them to repent for these things to turn away from the world. He wants these people and He has picked out a Bride! Yes! The Father has picked out the Bride! That's the way it's done and He has done that!
Important Remembrance From The LORD Jesus Christ
I'm encouraging
you, you have the opportunity now to
turn away from the world turn away from the
world don't love anything in the world. He says if you love the world the love of the Father is not in you. Yes we live in the world but it says we
are not of the world. So don't get
yourself immersed in the mire of
this world, right?
I can't believe that God
will divide
and pick and choose His Bride when
exactly, that is exactly what He does. And
that is exactly what the word says He
will do. Jesus says I didn't come but
to bring a sword, right? That's what He
came to do. He came to bring a sword. And
what do you do with a sword? You cut and
divide.
Yes
there is a reason for that and
I think a lot of things. Also that tends
to point
out, that some people, . . . maybe you're a mother. Let me
speak to you for a minute and your
children are the most
important thing to you forever. Okay
they're the most important thing to you
and you just can't imagine leaving
them behind. You're so focused on them
now. Is it wrong to focus on your
children? Well of course not
but what I'm saying is that there's
going to be, that's a good thing, but when
Jesus comes in the air you have to be
able to put everything in His hands. It's not your hands that they need to
be in it's in God's hands so He can take
much better care of them, sorry to say
than you can, so let's let Him take care
of them.
Perhaps you love your pet more. 'I just don't want to go if I can't
take Fluffy with me. Well I understand
the love of pets I
certainly do but when that trumpet
sounds
leave your pets in God's hands, okay? That's what I'm saying. If you're looking to try to get
that next promotion, if you're looking at
trying to buy that house or to have
kids or grandkids or whatever those types of
things, if you're looking at everything
that is supposed to be
successful here on earth then I'm
saying your focus on that is
going to put you in very precarious
places
because remember as Jesus said to do "Remember Lot's wife."
Now I want to point out something. What
did Lot's wife do? She was actually taken out of the city Sodom, Gomorrah. She actually made
it part way out
but she didn't make it all the way to
Zohar. She didn't do that. Lot and
his two daughters did. She looked back
and we understand that
that looking back is longingly for the
things that she's leaving behind. She longed for the things that she was
leaving; her home, her 'Oh I loved
shopping at this particular shop' 'I had these friends' or 'My family members, my big extended
family they're all back there I'm
wondering about them who's going to
take care of them?' God takes care of them
but He's trying to make a point Jesus
is saying "Remember Lot's wife" because you
sister, you brother, you young
teenager, young unmarried, whatever, if you are
looking back when that trumpet sounds
you are going to be left here. And there
are, it's not just me saying it, there are so
many instances of the number of people
that have had tribulation dreams or
Rapture dreams where they they went up
and actually say this that in the dream
they were left behind because they
looked back or they thought about their
parents or they thought about their children or something like that
just
like that and as they were going up but
then when
they had those thoughts they came back
down don't let that happen to you.
This
separation is happening now and what is
that separation going to mean? That means
that the Bride is going to be taken in
the first Rapture. That means this clear
separation with the body is going to
mean that the body is going to be left
behind. Okay and that's what's going to
happen. You may not like it but the truth
of the matter is not that's not
negotiable, right? We're just trying to tell you that's
what's going to happen and we're giving you an opportunity to
for you to to repent of those things to
look at these things in this different way to
ask ask Jesus to give you the ability
to
to lay everything in His hands. We ask
Jesus to give you the faith and the
trust that's what it comes down to, right? I want to hold on to my kids because
what you're saying is I don't trust you
enough to take care of them the way I
would and that's actually really the
wrong way to look at it.
Finally
Here is what we come down to, this final takeaway.
Two visions that I had:
- One Vision with the sharp knife
- The two instances with the cleaver. It's also showing me how close we are that 'cleaver' has come down and the separation was complete in this instance.
Now some people like to say that 'No, He's not going to separate (He being God) the Bride from the Body because you know He's not going to leave any part of His body here.'
And I'm thinking like Jesus would be the head of the body, right? And is He with the body right now? No He's in heaven. So can we have a part of the body that's in heaven and the rest of the body here on earth, yes we can. Can He take another part of the body to heaven and leave the rest of it on earth? Well of course He can, right?
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ihgm.org interjecting
Consder: the Tribulation Saints that did not make it out before the Tribulation.
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So if we look at the Adam instance, the bride was made outside of where Adam was and then the word tells us that the bride Eve, the woman was brought to Adam. What's going to happen? The Bride of Jesus is going to be taken to be where Jesus is and He's going to come into the clouds in the air and that's what's going to happen.
Brothers and sisters I hope this is going to be helpful. We're looking at everything. It is so incredibly close. So many people now are just so focused and many many more are coming and I coming to this conclusion that we are here to even think and understanding that it can happen at any moment at any moment and that is really the case.
Pray Luke 21:36 "Watch ye therefore . . . " don't say what anybody else says that 'yeah the word says to watch but you don't have to watch.' Yes you do or the word wouldn't say the watch, right? Let me just give this little tidbit in here. There are 24 instances in the word where you are commanded it's a command to watch, right? That's a command.
Did you know that there's another thing where it says 'do not fear? Do you know how many times it says not to fear in the Bible? 365 times; one for every single day of the year. Okay, do not fear. Well what does He mean? It's okay to fear? No! He makes it a very emphatic statement "Do not fear". Another command. So why then do we want to look at that when we look at the command to watch for Him, for His coming, for His appearing? And we'd say 'Oh that's okay, yeah you don't really have to watch. I know that's what the word says but no you don't have to worry about it. You're good.'
But then you're more than happy to to quote the Scriptures where it says not to fear, right? Noticing a bit of a disconnect here? I hope that you do.
So here's what I would say;
- First off don't fear because and that's what He says "Do not fear these things that are coming on the earth" Right? They are signs for us to know just how close Jesus is to coming for His Bride
- "Watch ye therefore and pray always to be accounted worthy to escape all these things that are coming on this Earth and to stand before the son of man." ~ Luke 21:36
- I pray that you will also pray that prayer. Do it now in Jesus name!